there, i said it! "what IS the deal?". i gave up on the PC mac debate a while ago, previously i was always up for the fight. but having used both systems extensively over the last 6 months, there is just no reason to argue. i use both, i design for both, i prefer a pc. they both can do the same things now. they both have their issues. there is no such thing as 'just plug it in and it works'. case in point, my gf's brand new g4. not a single thing we plugged into that thing, except for the keyboard and mouse, laoded right up with a whole lot of fighting. (moot point but i plugged the same devices into my laptop to see if the devices were broken, they both came up instantly). both machines are in the same boat now with the exception that one is unix and one is windows and of course unix can do things windows can't and vise versa.

having said that. what is the deal. i was at a bar last night with an old friend, hadn't seen him in a year, and he begins to argue with me out of the blue about how he can't imagine why i'm on a pc and how he can do so much more with a g5 he wants to get (mind you, he is a sculpter and has no need for it). i try to tell him 'look, i wont argue with you, to each his own i've used both i prefer the pc. i just do'. he doesn't let it , and he continues to argue with me. it takes me 5 minutes to end the convo.

we slide down the table to a friend of his who allegedly is a graphic designer. jay and i talk about this zine i used to run and i mention how i didn't know enough about the web back then to get it to work on a mac. this guy out of the blue starts flipping out about how safari is the most superior browser on the planet and how nothing works right unless its on a mac. i try to tell him calmly over and over how from the start of the conversation i agreed with him on something about how safari treats code. but he just doens't get it. he doesn't even listen to me, and he goes on and on about how safari is so beyond its time regardless that he began by talking about how nazi safari is on its code. (i say if you can screw up coding on IE, and it still figures out how to display the page properly, that has to be a testiment to the browser's design. but nobody seems to get that. anyway..) it takes me 5 minutes to calm the guy down, and he begins to ignore me completeley as i talk to jay. then i mention to jay how i also didn't make the graphics right for a mac. the guy turns around sharply again and goes off again. 'what do you mean the graphics wouldn't work right on a mac?' i calmly and slowely explain to him that i didn't know enough about clean coding and making graphics for the web to make a sliced up image display its table properly on the different platform.

this is a phenominum i've only ever ecountered with apple users. if you attempt to point out a limitation on their machine they jump all over you. they refuse to listen to anything you say when you might be blatently correct. however if you mention something baout what a PC can't do, its all 'thats because microsoft sucks and its all corporate money grubbing'.

furthermore, they pick a fight with you when you arn't even contrasting the two. in this case i was talking about how i was a young programmer and didn't know enough about the web to make things look good on both machines, and they argued with me it was the equipment i was using.

i have never come across a pc person who out of the blue flies off the handle about their machine. however every single mac user i've met has tried to fight me.

a good friend of mine recently moved from a pc to a mac because of the changes panther brought baout on the apple. he still keeps an open mind about what both can do.

i am a graphic designer.. i think if i can design on a pc, take it to press and have a flawless product without any conmversion of layout, color, or type, then i just might know what i'm talking about. but they never care. professors, friends, my boss at work. they still tell me if i ever want to go anywhere i need to be on a mac. its just bull.
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on Apr 20, 2004
I personally dont use macs alot, but I really have fun when I do use them. I think that they have a superior design interface, and are more user-friendly. I like just looking around on one, because everything is so intuitive that I dont even have to really think about what I want to do, I just look where the task should be, and its there. I would have a mac if all my software was compatable. But its not, so I dont. I think the whole issue comes down to what you want to give up in your computer. You can either get the easy to use interface (at the expense of a software shortage), or more program choices (at the expense of a crappy interface. However, WindowBlinds and ObjectBar changes the Windows problem, and you can have a great interface, customized for your tastes, with a wide software base.
on Apr 20, 2004
I do think OS X is pretty and smooth. I must give it that. The vector interface really make animation look much smoother than say any effect you get with Windows FX.
But I don't find it inituitive at all. I'm always completely lost whenever I have to use it. I think no system is inuitive. You need to learn to use any modern OS.
on Apr 20, 2004
ToeJo, thank you. You represent every aspect of what I'm talking about. The stupid, ignorant, immature average PC user.
on Apr 20, 2004
No, No Macrobaye...Thank you...You represent exactly what the rest of have been talking about...overemotional, childish attacks based on meaningless opinions about something as senseless as which type of computer is better.

It's really quite simple...the best computer is the one the user likes best. To further the debate beyond that point would be a waste of time. Each has it's own good and bad points. The really cool thing is that we have a choice. You use your Mac and I'll use my PC and regardless what our choice is...the world keeps spinning, People are still getting married, babies are still being born and the sun will still keep shining.

For the record...I simply have no opinion which unit is better. As long as PC's continue to fail I will continue to prosper in my job. The more problems with PC's the more money I make. As far as my OPINION about Apple...They make some of the coolest looking stuff I have ever seen. I don't know how I would make it without my Ipod, ITunes and the 1200 songs I carry around with me everywhere I go. My comments were meant to amuse, not to offend. Have fun on your Mac and if you ever need help trouble-shooting a PC, feel free to look me up.
on Apr 20, 2004
Well said, ToeJo.

(no offense, macrobaye!)
on Apr 20, 2004
Ditto that Cerebro.
on Apr 20, 2004

A few points to ponder:

This discussion is taking place on a site owned by a software company that only programs for Windows. 
The servers run Windows. 
The site supports Windows. 
The only section on here that is not only Windows is Wallpapers.
What are the most commonly used wrod processing, spread sheet, etc. programs used on a Mac and who programs them?
What is the most common browser used on a Mac and who makes it?

(I have a die-hard Mac using Father-in-law, so I can go all day with these )

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2004/01/15.15.shtml
Current state of Apple:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/15/apple_quarterly_results/

I also emailed Andrew (whom I've personally had Stardbuck's coffee with in Vegas...not like that has anything do do with anything...)  from The Register to see if he can dig up stats for us.

 

on Apr 21, 2004

 

Actually, paxx, there was an article in the Register explaining what I just said, the facts, that about 20$ of computers in use and working today are Macs. That's the truth.

The official response from The Register on that is:

"It doesn't ring any bells here, Angela.  And it sounds very high to me."

Doesn't sound like you read that in The Register.

And about the 20% thing. The real figure is somewhere around 11%, sorry for the mix up. I found an article from a Syracuse paper about it. it states that the installed home base of Apple computers is about 11%, not counting businesses (who rely on PCs not because they're better, just because they're cheap and some see them as the standard).

PCs are fine computers for home and office use, BUT Macs will probably always be viewed as the best platform for professional use, such as filmmaking, graphical work, music composing, etc. It's not only the hardware, remember, it's the software that make's mac the best comps for professionals:

you seem to be talking circles here.  You try to make a point that 11% of *home* users use Macs, but then say that Macs are for professional use.  Why not show the stats on how many "professional" machines are macs?

 

on Apr 21, 2004
This discussion is taking place on a site owned by a software company that only programs for Windows.


...odd, I thought I remembered a news article on the front page a few weeks back saying that something was being worked on for the Mac, but I can''t find mention of it now and I didn''t take much notice at the time....but this _may_ not be entirely true

on Apr 21, 2004
Sput....the date of that ''Press release'' was April the Oneth.....somewhat significant....
on Apr 21, 2004
#68 by KarmaGirl - 4/20/2004 3:09:53 PM


amen. i''ll point out one fact that amuses me: ms excel was first written for mac.

dispite explorer being the most widely used and most stable browers, this person in my story was ready to take a bullet for it. then on monday night in my digital media class, my professor, a mac users, responds to a ''why doesn''t it work?'' with ''safari sucks, don''t use it.'' i told him about my ''friend'' in the bar that night and he says basically it is a good browser in theory, i can do a lot of things you can''t with other browsers, but nobody uses any of those bells and whistles anyway. dispute the gizmos, its still too young to be stable.

i just started playing with firefox to see what all the hype is about. im not impressed yet. loads faster, but its illegible until the whole thing is completed anyway.



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on Apr 21, 2004
somewhat significant


on Apr 21, 2004
Macs r the best!
on Apr 21, 2004
Sput....the date of that ''''Press release'''' was April the Oneth.....somewhat significant....


D''oh! At least I said I hadn''t paid much notice....

Sput skulks off to the shadows
on Apr 21, 2004
#69 by KarmaGirl


I was mistaken, I thought it was the register but in fact was a paper from somewhere else. I posted the link to the article a few posts back.

As for professional #''s, I''m sure they''re much higher than 11%. If I knew what they were, I''d post them, but I don''t, and any guess I could wager would be shot down by PC-heads who don''t want Macs to be the majority.

In other news, most mac users don''t care about market share. There was a recent poll at MacRumros.com that asked what people wanted Apple''s market share to be, and the majority answer was around 20%. But I don''t really care anymore. Macs are for pros and people who want to have a cool user experience, and anyone who doesn''t want to be a lemming. Ever been to an Apple store? If you want pop-culture, that''s where to find it
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