there, i said it! "what IS the deal?". i gave up on the PC mac debate a while ago, previously i was always up for the fight. but having used both systems extensively over the last 6 months, there is just no reason to argue. i use both, i design for both, i prefer a pc. they both can do the same things now. they both have their issues. there is no such thing as 'just plug it in and it works'. case in point, my gf's brand new g4. not a single thing we plugged into that thing, except for the keyboard and mouse, laoded right up with a whole lot of fighting. (moot point but i plugged the same devices into my laptop to see if the devices were broken, they both came up instantly). both machines are in the same boat now with the exception that one is unix and one is windows and of course unix can do things windows can't and vise versa.

having said that. what is the deal. i was at a bar last night with an old friend, hadn't seen him in a year, and he begins to argue with me out of the blue about how he can't imagine why i'm on a pc and how he can do so much more with a g5 he wants to get (mind you, he is a sculpter and has no need for it). i try to tell him 'look, i wont argue with you, to each his own i've used both i prefer the pc. i just do'. he doesn't let it , and he continues to argue with me. it takes me 5 minutes to end the convo.

we slide down the table to a friend of his who allegedly is a graphic designer. jay and i talk about this zine i used to run and i mention how i didn't know enough about the web back then to get it to work on a mac. this guy out of the blue starts flipping out about how safari is the most superior browser on the planet and how nothing works right unless its on a mac. i try to tell him calmly over and over how from the start of the conversation i agreed with him on something about how safari treats code. but he just doens't get it. he doesn't even listen to me, and he goes on and on about how safari is so beyond its time regardless that he began by talking about how nazi safari is on its code. (i say if you can screw up coding on IE, and it still figures out how to display the page properly, that has to be a testiment to the browser's design. but nobody seems to get that. anyway..) it takes me 5 minutes to calm the guy down, and he begins to ignore me completeley as i talk to jay. then i mention to jay how i also didn't make the graphics right for a mac. the guy turns around sharply again and goes off again. 'what do you mean the graphics wouldn't work right on a mac?' i calmly and slowely explain to him that i didn't know enough about clean coding and making graphics for the web to make a sliced up image display its table properly on the different platform.

this is a phenominum i've only ever ecountered with apple users. if you attempt to point out a limitation on their machine they jump all over you. they refuse to listen to anything you say when you might be blatently correct. however if you mention something baout what a PC can't do, its all 'thats because microsoft sucks and its all corporate money grubbing'.

furthermore, they pick a fight with you when you arn't even contrasting the two. in this case i was talking about how i was a young programmer and didn't know enough about the web to make things look good on both machines, and they argued with me it was the equipment i was using.

i have never come across a pc person who out of the blue flies off the handle about their machine. however every single mac user i've met has tried to fight me.

a good friend of mine recently moved from a pc to a mac because of the changes panther brought baout on the apple. he still keeps an open mind about what both can do.

i am a graphic designer.. i think if i can design on a pc, take it to press and have a flawless product without any conmversion of layout, color, or type, then i just might know what i'm talking about. but they never care. professors, friends, my boss at work. they still tell me if i ever want to go anywhere i need to be on a mac. its just bull.
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on Apr 17, 2004
maybe they're just pissed 'cause they paid 3,000$ more to do the same things i can do on a 400$ dell (snicker) tee hee.
on Apr 17, 2004
teehee this should be interesting.
on Apr 17, 2004
hmmmm....this thread seems a little like mac-baiting to me
on Apr 17, 2004
dude,
i soo know what u mean, ive used pcs till about 3 years ago when i started to study at a college where they had all their training on Macs and i dont get it either.

i worked in that college as a tech-support staff -part time- and i know how much Macs can and cant take. i have to admit though they lived up higher than i was expecting them to -> which totally took the wind out of me fighting for the PC side of things but ive come to the same conclusion.

my solution -run a pc with mac GUI. because a mac cant actually perform like a pc can or support all the software a pc can but a PC can never look as nice as a mac.


peace out
on Apr 17, 2004
Sounds like you bumped into an angry, big mouthed, know it all drunk. Those mac users must have problems holding their liquor.
on Apr 17, 2004
At work I have a G4 running Panther. At home I have a PC running XP. And I prefer the PC, but my co-workers don't understand me. "Everything is sooo easy on a mac - it just works! Switch!". No I won't - I'm happy the way I have it now. Mac users aren't just Apple fans, they're on a religious crusade trying to convince Win users that this is the system we all should use. I don't know how Steve Jobs managed to get to that point, it's quite impressive. I can't set my finger on what excactly it is, but I wouldn't take a Mac over a PC. Everything works just fine on my XP system, so I can't see any good reason to switch. Even though I work with graphics every day. Macs are great for graphics and music production, but hey it can be done on a PC too! It's just hard to get Mac users to realize this, so I try as hard as I can to avoid discussions on this topic, I've been in similar situations as you DesignCaddy, and it's really really annoying.
on Apr 17, 2004
ok so the 3,000$ comment could be taken as a bit baiting but i'm only teasing. (teehee)
on Apr 17, 2004
I come from a family of Mac users and I am a PC user. They are very sensitive about their computers. I think it is like an alcoholic in denial, if you bring up the problem they will deny, jusify, and rant and rave to prove their point. (even though they are wrong) Plus there are no games for the mac.
on Apr 17, 2004
It's all the subliminal messages on macs They have to justify spending all that money somehow.
on Apr 17, 2004

10 by craeonics - 4/17/2004 7:38:19 PM

Baiting or no baiting, but I think DesignCaddy and Mr Child up there ^^^ are spot on. If I'd pay that much for a machine, I'd be damn sensitive and uptight about it too. The whole Windows vs Mac vs Linux vs whatever debate (and I'm not talking about here, but in general) is so pathetic. Who the XXXX cares what you run? As long as it works for you, that's all you need to know.

 

Edited for language....naughty Crae....

on Apr 17, 2004
can anyone tell me the link to use the skins on my desktops .
Thanks for any help
My email-address is Bxxxp926@aol.com
on Apr 18, 2004
I bought my first MAC in 1984 (still have it too, it's an original 128K MAC - no hard drive, just a single sided 400K floppy). I have had 3 MAC's over the years. I have also had several PC's. I am using a 2.53 GHz P4 right now. I also have a PC running Linux. At work, I am a HP UNIX Admin.

there, i said it! "what IS the deal?".

I couldn't agree with you more. Each OS has it's good/bad points. Each has benefits.

I don't understand why it has to be such an issue as to which is better.

If someone likes one computer better than another, more power to them. Why should I try to make them feel that they must be an idiot because they have a different opinion than I do. I just don't get why it is such a HOLY war.
on Apr 18, 2004
I've got an iMac G3 500mhz, a PM G4 DP800, a PM G5 1.8GHz, and a PC 1.8GHZ AMD... and in all honesty, the 500mhz imac is much better overall than the pc. They both have the same 512mb ram, etc, but the PC just doesnt cut it... now all my comps have their strong points, but I'd give up the best PC in the world for a mac.

If you think there's less software for mac, that's not necessarily true... there are over 10,000 native Apps for mac os x, and all of these apps are widely known and used... for the pc there are about 50,000 but that's including apps and progs that no one uses, and like 1,000 word processors, etc. Every app I use on the pc is available on the mac, and I'm sure if you really think about it, that goes the same for many of you.

In the terms of paying more money, that is completely wrong altogether. The 1.8GHZ G5 cost me about $1600. If you want a PC that can even come close to the speed and performance of it, you'll need to spend just as much. NOT INCLUDING DIY MACHINES because if I could make a mac, it would be much less expensive too ... also, throw in maintenence and repairs which are much more frequent on PCs, and you've spent much more than what I have.

ALL IN ALL, the big difference for me is that the mac can do everything the pc can do, it lasts a hell of a lot longer than some craptastic 1 -year lifespan dell, and it looks a hell of a lot better. But, I really don't care what you choose to use...

HOWEVER, I do think it's very unfair to label us Mac users like this, I've had many discussions with people who use PCs, and who say macs suck when they've never used it.

The real reason we get defensive, is because so many PC users are ignorant of the truth, or just ignorant of the fact that Macs are just as good, if not better, than their precious PCs.

So stop saying "what's the deal with mac people" because PC users are worse.
on Apr 18, 2004
Plus there are no games for the mac


This is the most common misconception about macs. Just another ignorant comment. If you go online and look around, you'll find all the top games that are made for the PC are also made for mac... just to name a few:

Wolfenstein, Starcraft, Warcraft, Unreal Tourney, EA sports games, Medal of Honor series, etc
on Apr 18, 2004
it's not unlike the "who's your favorite sports team?" debate. everyone wants to support their colors. mac people feel the need to tell all and sundry how wonderful they believe their machines are, and there are pc people who will do the exact same.
I'm sure the alcohol ingested didn't help the reasoning and level mindedness of the situation.(not saying drinkingis bad, just saying when you have had a few, you're more likely to try and prove your point as loudly and assertively as you can... sometimes to your embarrassment later)
I find nodding and smiling works when debate gets too heated. I know what machine I like best, and that's all I need to know. no sense in trying to convince another person I am "right" or they are "wrong".
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